Apostates: Never Really Saved to Begin With?

One of the most common tactics employed by OSASers when confronted with the Scriptural case for apostasy is to concede that apostasy may indeed be possible, but if a person was to apostatize, it is sure proof that that person was never really saved to begin with.  This post aims to show the nonsensical conclusions (i.e., that it leads to Scriptural absurdity) of this seemingly ad hoc line of reasoning.

Ezek. 18:24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness… thus proving that he was never righteous to begin with?

Mat. 18:21-35 When his debt had been credited back to him, it proved that the unforgiving servant’s debt had never been forgiven to begin with?

Luke 8:13 And the ones on the rock… receive [the Word]… they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away thus proving that they never received the Word, nor believed, to begin with?

John 15:5-6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away… and withers; and [are] thrown into the fire, and burned thus proving that the branches were never abiding in the vine from which they were cut off?

Rom. 11:19-22 Branches were broken off… because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith… if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off which would prove that they were never standing by faith, nor grafted into the olive tree from which they were cut?

Rom. 14:15 By what you eat, do not destroy [your brother] for whom Christ died which would prove that he was never your brother to begin with?

1 Cor. 15:1-2 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel… which you received… unless you believed in vain which would prove that 1) they were never really brothers to begin with, 2) they never actually received the Gospel, and 3) they never actually believed in vain, for they never believed to begin with.

2 Cor. 6:1 Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain because it would prove that you never received it to begin with.

Gal. 5:4 You are severed from Christ… you have fallen away from grace which proves that 1) you were never really joined to Christ, and 2) you never had the grace from which you fell.

1 Tim. 1:18-20 Some have made shipwreck of their faith which proves that the ship was never really floating to begin with.

1 Tim. 4:1 Some will depart from the faith thus proving that they never had a faith from which to depart.

1 Tim. 5:8 He has denied the faith which proves that he never really had a faith to deny.

1 Tim. 5:8 Worse than an unbeliever If he was never really saved to begin with, he has always been an unbeliever, which begs the question, how can an unbeliever be worse than an unbeliever?

1 Tim. 5:11 Their passions draw them away from Christ thus proving that they were never with Christ.

1 Tim. 5:12 Having abandoned their former faith which proves that they never had the faith to abandon.

2 Tim. 2:16-18 Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have swerved from the truth thus proving that they never really received the truth from which they swerved.

2 Pet. 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome they would prove that they had never actually escaped the defilements of the world to begin with, and because they have thus always been entangled therein, they couldn’t have become ‘again’ entangled.

2 Pet. 3:17 Take care that you are not carried away from what… unbelief?

2 Pet. 3:17 Take care that you [do not] lose your own stability which would prove that you were never in a stable position to begin with.

Hat tip: Ben from Arminian Perspectives

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2 thoughts on “Apostates: Never Really Saved to Begin With?

  1. The Seeking Disciple November 28, 2012 / 4:00 pm

    Reblogged this on Arminian Today and commented:
    Excellent short article showing the fallacy of “never saved to begin with” when it comes to apostates.

  2. Lana Hope December 4, 2012 / 6:49 am

    People deconvert. It just happens.

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